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A Report by Turtle Bunbury (2012)

It was my ambition with this study to trace the Musgrave family of Derrinasoo (and by extension of Cork) back to the 18th century. The earliest forebear I've found is William Musgrave (1817-1876). Alas, concrete evidence still eludes me although there are many strange connections, which surely more than mere coincidences, that link the various Musgrave, Mosgrave and Musgrove families of Scotland, Northern Ireland, London, Limerick, Sligo and Roscommon, not to mention the Canadian branches. I place my mambling findings on-line in the hope that there is something here that triggers a thought in the mind of someone out there that in turn unlocks the vital clue. This report was first published online on 11 July 2012 and has been sporadically updated ever since.


The prevailing theory is that the Musgraves were in Limerick during the early 19th century (having perhaps come direct from London or Ulster) and that, after some time in Sligo and Leitrim/Roscommon, they returned down the Shannon to Limerick City in the 1870s and then made their way east to Cork. As Stephen Musgrave observed in an email of October 2017, Musgrave is also an English West March name and, as such, they could have come over to Ireland at the time of the Plantation, when the English/Scottish borders were cleared of Reivers after the Act of Union. John P. Prendergast’s The Cromwellian Settlement of Ireland lists two Musgraves - William and Philip, possibly brothers, possibly from Somerset - as being £20 settlers in the Barony of Iffa and Offa in south Tipperary in 1652. Most adventurers paid much more so they appear to have been of modest means.

Liam Lowe also suppllied these useful comments in November 2019:

"Methodism had taken firm root in this [Derranasoo] area primarily because of Angel Anna Slack who financed the build of the Methodist chapel in Drumshanbo. The Queale, Crawford, Laird and Musgrove families [who arrived down from Ulster to Leitrim circa 1630 in the plantation of Brian Og's land] embraced this revival with gusto and inter-married with similar aplomb."

William’s father is believed to have been Thomas Musgrave but we know no more of him. By an unnamed spouse, Thomas had four sons - Andrew, Robert, James (1811-1891) and, of direct relevance to this report, William Musgrave (1817-1876).

There are also suggestions that Thomas had a son Richard (who would also marry Anne Crawford), possibly by an earlier marriage, although ‘Richard’ may simply be a was the middle name of Andrew or Robert, or that Richard was Thomas’s nephew.

The Registers for St. Paul’s, Covent Gardens, include these 2 baptism entries[i]:

· 29 August 1787: Ann Maria, Daughter of Thomas Musgrove by Elizabeth his Wife

· 26 November 1790: Richard, Son of Thomas Musgrove by Elizabeth his Wife

This allows the possibility that Thomas Musgrove was originally from London but later moved to Limerick.

In any event, most clues suggest that Thomas had a connection to Limerick. The only baptism record for a Thomas Musgrove in Co. Limerick is dated 1758. Either this is our Thomas, or Thomas was not born in Ireland, or there is simply no birth/baptism record for him but he was born in Ireland.

There are three Thomas Musgraves buried in Co. Limerick – in 1777, 1842 and 1858.

There is also a record of a Thomas Musgrave who was married in Co. Limerick in 1818.

If the Thomas born in 1758 was our man, he would have been 60 when he married in 59 when William was born. This also suggests that some of his children, including William, were born outside wedlock but this was by no means uncommon.

Unfortunately we have not yet been able to conclusively work out where Thomas came from, but there are suggestions that his roots were in London and possibly Midlothian, Scotland, before that. Read onwards.

In October 2017, Stephen Musgrave informed me that his grandfather (a son of James Musgrave of Derranasoo) wrote a letter to one of his relations from the William Musgrave line, stating that an Andrew Musgrave came to Derranasoo in 1783 (or, as he puts it, 15 years before 1798) from Carrick, Co. Donegal via Fermanagh. Derreenasoo is in Tumna parish in Co. Roscommon. However, Liam Lowe advised me in November 2019 that "as that part of Co. Roscommon abuts the Leitrim county border, it falls under Drumshanbo and not Boyle PLU, and hence the centre of orbit for the good people of Derreenasoo was Drumshanbo, across the River Shannon in County Leitrim, which was just 6 kms away."

Stephen Musgrave also stated that Andrew Musgrave married twice, once to a Susan Atkinson from Ballinamallard, Co. Fermanagh and once to a Sligo woman called Logan (no first name known). Stephen's grandfather also stated that he is descended from Susan Atkinson, the James line and that the marriage of Andrew and Logan gave rise to the William line. This has not yet been verified. There is a family of Musgraves in Co. Tyrone just across from Fermanagh with many first names the same as the Musgraves from Derranasoo.

Could he be connected to Andrew Mosgrove (1768-1804), brother of John Musgrave, who married Jane Brown Mosgrove and was father of John, Adams, Margaret, Elizabeth and at least two other Musgraves? Ancestry has a few entries for an Andrew Mosgrove who was born in Midlothian in 1763 (other entries say 1663, some say 1768) and died in Co. Tyrone. Most of these sources state that Andrew’s parents were Robert and Ann Mosgrove (or de Mosgrove). One proposes that they were George Mosgrove and Margaret Charles.



Robert Mosgrove was born in Co. Leitrim or Roscommon on Dec. 25, 1801, and moved to Canda in 1822. He may have been the son of Robert Henry Mosgrove (or Musgrave?), who was baptized at St. Paul's, Covent Gardens, London, in the 1760s. Robert Henry was the son of Andrew and Elizabeth Mosgrove. [iv]

He was one of the very first settlers in Ottawa. Robert married Alice Bourne from County Mayo (nee 4th June 1812) and died in Ottawa on Sept 25 1882. He is buried in what is now a large family plot at Beechwood Cemetery, Ottawa. An obituary to Robert Mosgrove, tanner, appeared in the Ottawa Citizen - Apr 29, 1933 - and gave his place of birth as County Leitrim.[v]

As stated earlier, the reason why the death cert and obit for Robert has his place of birth as Leitrim, yet the Beechwood cemetery register states Roscommon is becauuse both are correct. The Derreenasoo part of Co. Roscommon falls under the PLU of Drumshanbo, across the River Shannon in County Leitrim, '... folk in that part of Roscommon ignored county borders to embrace their hinterland across the Shannon county border.'

Robert and Alice’s children were Caroline Amelia, Maryanne Victoria, William (who became a famous Judge and owned a large vineyard) and Alice G. Judge William Mosgrove and his wife Harriet (nee Moore) had four sons - Guy Mosgrove, Robert St. Patrick Mosgrove, Edgar Whiteside Mosgrove, and William Gerald Moore Mosgrove.

It is notable that Robert Mosgrove named his only son William, and that the name was repeated again in the next generation.


The centre of the Barton estate was at Waterfoot near Pettigo in county Donegal. Through marriages with the Johnston family of Kinlough and the Montgomery family of Belhavel they held lands in the barony of Rosclogher, county Leitrim.

At the time of the first Ordnance Survey, the Roscommon estate was the property of Hugh Barton of Dublin and the agent was Peyton of Knockvicar. This was the Cootehall estate, purchased in the earlier nineteenth century by the Bartons. Hugh Barton was a member of the Grand Panel of county Roscommon in 1828. The Bartons appear to have sold their Roscommon acreage by the 1870s.

In the 1850s Thomas Johnston Barton was one of the principal lessors in the parish of Tumna in County Roscommon from whom the Musgraves rented their land. He also held land in the parish of Ogulla, barony of Roscommon.

In 1876 the Barton estate in Leitrim amounted to over 1200 acres. The Ellis family acted as agents for the Bartons on their estates at Kinlough. Members of the Barton family also leased Mount Prospect house from the Connolly estate. See http://homepage.eircom.net/~fmasters/landlords.html#Wardhouse

Thomas Johnston Barton was born in Sept 1802. On 25th March 1830, shortly before his fathers’ purchase of Straffan, Thomas married Frances, daughter of Edward Morris, Master in Chancery, and granddaughter of Thomas, 1st Lord Erskine, the eloquent Scots barrister who famously defended Tom Paine’s “Rights of Man” in 1792. In the late 1830s, Thomas and Frances Barton purchased the Glendalough (or Drummin) estate at Annamoe, County Wicklow. In 1838, Thomas Barton converted this into a Tudor-Gothic mansion. There seems to be some uncertainty as to the identity of the architect. Mark Bence-Jones suggests John B. Keane but others hold it to have been the work of Daniel Robertson. It certainly looked like a Robertson, being particularly reminiscent of Lisnavagh House in County Carlow, built for the Bunbury family in the 1840s.

Thomas and Frances raised four sons and four daughters at Glendalough. Thomas served as a Justice of the Peace and Deputy Lieutenant for Co. Wicklow. He died on 4th December 1864 and was succeeded by his eldest son, Thomas, a bachelor in his 30s. Thomas Barton II died unmarried in 1874 and was succeeded by his younger brother Charles who married Agnes Alexandra Childers. Charles's son Robert Barton was a signatory of the Anglo-Irish Treaty in 1921 while his nephew Erskine Childers was executed for his his involvement with the anti-Treaty sdie during the Irish Civil War. Another of Thomas and France's sons, Hugh Barton, served with the 7th Foot but died in 1880 at the age of 46, while the youngest brother Robert Johnston Barton became one of the heroes of the Zulu War of 1879 when he died “in the attempt to save the life of a wounded brother officer” at Hlobane Mountain in South Africa.

The fact that the Musgraves farmed land on Leitrim which was owned by the Barton family is relevant. There are also occasions where the Barton name is used alongside that of Musgrave.

As such, an exploration of relevant Barton family connections was undertaken, with a specific focus on the Rev. John Barton of Cripplegate, London.

There are 11 Barton entries in the St. Paul’s Register at Covent Garden (where the early Musgraves were recorded in 1765) but it is unclear if they are connected or not. There’s no obvious match up to any of the Bartons in Burke’s LGI (1912) or to the Musgrove Riggs Barton family.

6 May 1765 William, Son of William Barton by Elizabeth his Wife.

6 March 1768 Thomas, Son of William Barton by Elizabeth his Wife

4 March 1770 John, Son of William Barton by Elizabeth his Wife

20 March 1783 Ann, Daughter of William Barton by Ann his Wife

13 Jan 1788 Ocnr-e [?], Son of William Barton by Amelia his Wife

4 May 1789 Elizabeth, Dau. of William Barton by Amey his Wife

27 Nov 1791 Margaret, Dau. of William Barton by Amelia his Wife

7 Sept 1794 Baptism of Hannah, Daughter of William Barton by

Amelia his Wife, Born August 11 1791

20 November 1808 Anna Barton, Daughter of Robert and .iVima [sic?]

20 April 1809 John, Son of George, and Harriet Barton Born 25 Jan 1800[?]

17 May 1817 John, Son of George & Harriot Barton, Maiden Lane, Bootmaker.

(Also entries under George and Harriet Burton)

And potentially Sam Johnstone (not Johnston).


As the Bartons were intermarried with the Johnston family who also had land where the Musgraves farmed, we explored various branches of the Johnston family in Burke’s 1912 – particularly Johnston of Kinlough House and Townry Corry, Drumshambo, but nothing of immediate note was revealed.


Roots Ireland confirmed that Richard Musgrave and Anne Crawford (1819-1890) were married in the Ardcarne Church of Ireland, Co. Roscommon, on 14th April 1836 but there were no further details about their families. Richard was born in about 1790 and Anne in 1819; she was the daughter of Thomas Crawford and Ann Whaley. (Trevor Crawford Tree, 2018). A potted history of the church can be found here: Ardcarne. At least this road has been checked, although it would clearly be best to see the original record as it may have been transcribed poorly.

Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 14-Apr-1836
Parish / District: ARDCARNE CHURCH OF IRELAND, Co. Roscommon
Husband: Richard Musgrove
Wife: Anne Crawford
Address: Tumna
Denomination: Church of Ireland
For every other category, the answer was: Not Recorded.

There is a Richard Musgrave mentioned a couple of times in the Freemans Journal from 1800-1845. There are no Richard Musgraves in Griffiths Valuation for Roscommon - only some records in Waterford – suggesting he died before Anne got together with William around 1849. Anne might not have married William, even if divorce was possible around 1840 for Church of Ireland.


The St. Paul’s Registers include these 2 entries[vi]:

· 29 August 1787: Ann Maria, Daughter of Thomas Musgrove by Elizabeth his Wife

· 26 November 1790: Richard, Son of Thomas Musgrove by Elizabeth his Wife

Could this be the same Richard Musgrove who married Anne Crawford in 1836?

If he was born in 1790, this would make Richard 46 years old at the time of his marriage to Anne Crawford. He would also have been about 27 years older than William Musgrove who later married his widow. William is traditionally said to have been Richard’s brother, but this opens up the possibility that they were half or step-brothers, or cousins? Richard may well have been a son of Thomas Musgrave’s brother.

Could Thomas have moved to Limerick from London by the time the four sons were born? Could he have married secondly - a Barton perhaps?! – and was William perhaps Richard's younger half-brother?


In terms of baptism dates, the contenders for this lady are:

Anne Crawford 1816 Co. Down

Anne Crawford 1816 Co. Monaghan

Anne Crawford 1818 Co. Down

Ann Crawford 1820 Co. Derry

Anna Crawford 1820 Co. Limerick

Anne Crawford 1820 Co. Mayo

Anne Crawford 1820 Co. Tipperary

Anne Crawford 1821 Co. Donegal

Ann Crawford 1824 Co. Longford

Anne Crawford 1824 Co. Antrim

JAMES MOSGROVE (1811-1891)

James Mosgrove (1811-1891) was a son of Thomas Musgrave and a brother of William Musgrave of Derrinasoo. By his wife Elizabeth, he had at least one son, James Musgrave.

Both the Mosgrove and Crawford families were well established in Tumna by 1850, suggesting they had been there for a while. Griffiths only shows the heads of the households (tax-payers) so these were 3 different houses for both families. There were originally 7 homes on a dirt road all occupied by Musgrave or Crawford. James Musgrave’s home was the last of the 7 and is now a large barn.

Derreenasoo Tumna Roscommon in Griffith's
Catherine Crawford
John Crawford
Thomas Crawford
James Mosgrove
Mary Mosgrove
William Mosgrove

NB: In the Griffith land valuation 1848-61 all the landowners in Derreenasoo are Mosgrove, as are the Ontario family.


William was born in 1817 and is believed to have been a farmer near Drumshanbo. He is also said to have been a school teacher.

Roscommon was to prove particularly reliant on the potato in the lead up to the Great Famine. The county had 60,000 acres of potatoes in 1844. Within three years, 93.5% of that acreage was gone. And so too had 31% of the county's population.

Thomas Musgraves of 'Derinasue' [sic] are mentioned in the Tithe Applotments of 1830 ... a search of the Tumna parish land index at Registry of Deed may well yield more Mosgroves in Derreenasoo in the 1600-1700's. Indeed Cromwell may even have had them recorded them in the Roscommon Book of Survey and Distribution. These archives have not yet been trawled ...

Griffiths Valuation (above) lists three Mosgrove’s at Tumna, namely James, Mary and William. In a record from 1858, William Mosgrove appears to be renting land in the townland of Derreenasoo from Thomas Johnston Barton. It was hitherto thought he owned the land.

Family lore has it that he had a family on both sides of the Shannon. (Bear in mind that both Limerick and the Derreenasoo neighbourhood are on the Shannon).

By his wife Annie Crawford (1819–1890), who had previously been married to Richard, he had nine children, known in their family as the bastard line:

1. Catherine (or Cathleen) Musgrave married a Joshua Crawford from Dereenasoo area who was probably a cousin, and had eleven children; the descendants of these Crawfords live in Cork today.[vii] One of Catherine and Joshua's sons was Stewart Edward Crawford moved to farm in Lisnaskea Co.Fermanagh, and had 7 children, including George Musgrave Crawford (who moved to Ballymoney Co. Antrim, and had two children including Robert Edward Trevor Crawford, who supplied me with these details in December 2018).

2. Edward Musgrave – did he marry Eliza, see below?

3. James Musgrave (c. 1850-1931) succeeded to the farm at Dereenasoo. In about 1877, he married Kate (Catherine) Auliffe with whom he had seven children. See below with qualifications from October 2017.

4. Richard Musgrave – did he marry Eliza, see below?

5. Thomas Musgrave (b. 1847) who moved to Cork, via Limerick, and married Sarah Jane Laird – see below.

6. William Musgrave (1853 – 1905) who married Annie from Co. Down – see below.

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Top: George and Sarah Ann (McKee) Musgrove with their daughter Elizabeth Victoria and two sons William Wesley and
Robert George Boyd (Roy), taken in 1900, Stonewall Manitoba. Below: George's dry goods store, old and modern.
(With thanks to Marina Bennett)

7. Dr. George Musgrave (1855-1934), general merchant, who moved to Huron County Ontario, Canada when he was 24 in 1880. He subsequently opened his own dry goods store in Stonewall Manitoba.
       According to an undated (but probably 1920s) account of his life in the Stonewall Times, George Musgrove [sic] was born in County Roscommon, Ireland. As a young boy, he apprenticed himself to a general merchant in the nearby town of Drumshabo. After serving this apprenticeship of seven years, he left to follow his work, first in Dublin and later in Cork. For several years he was associated with two of his brothers in establishing what has since become the largest business of its kind in the South of Ireland. In the late seventies he severed his connection with this firm, and came to America where he worked for a short time in the city of New York. From there he came to Toronto, and shortly afterward married Sarah Ann, the eldest daughter of the late Robert McKee. Very shortly after his marriage, he came West to Winnipeg, into which place he arrived by crossing the ice on the Red River from St Boniface in 1881. Here he engaged himself in general merchandising, and following the collapse of the boom, he migrated to Stonewall in 1882 where for a short time he worked with the Canadian Pacific Railway. He very soon identified himself with the late J.B. Rutherford, who has already established a general store. When Mr Rutherford left Stonewall, the firm name which has been J. B. Rutherford & Company, was now changed to that of George Musgrove & Company.
        "For well over forty years, George Musgrave was engaged in, and carried on, a general store business in Stonewall, and during the early pioneer days, he stood between the early settlers on one hand and the wholesale business houses on the other, and it can truthfully be said he never refused assistance to to those in need during those early and trying years. He devoted his energy almost entirely to his business affairs, and took a real pride in the town of Stonewall, and the surrounding country, no good work in which was ever undertaken that did not meet with his loyal support."
       "His first wife died in 1903 and in February 1916 he married Miss Eunice Stratton, of Stonewall. For these past few years he has not been engaged in active business, and has lived with his daughter, Mrs H. O. May of Stonewall. He has two sons and one daughter - Dr W. W. Musgrove, physician, who has practiced in Winnipeg since 1907, except during the years when he was over seas with the forces - Dr R G Musgrave, practicing dentistry at The Pas Manitoba, and one daughter, Mrs H. O. May, Stonewall, who is carrying on the business established in Stonewall about the year 1880."
       He appears to have been the only one in his family to move to Canada. By his wife Sarah Ann (nee McKee), he had five children, two of whom died as infants, the others being Elizabeth Victoria, William Wesley and Robert George Boyd (Roy). This date came from Marina Bennett of British Columbia in 2020: her husband Brian is a grandson of Dr George and Sarah Ann Musgrave's youngest son, Roy Musgrave, a pioneer dentist in The Pas, Manitoba.

8. Stuart Musgrave (b. 1858) – see below.

9. Charlie Musgrave.


Houses in Dereenasoo

(Tumna North, Roscommon)

1 Crawford

2 Crawford

3 Crawford

3 Gaffney

5 Crawford

6 McCabe

7 Musgrove


There was a William Mosgrove who was born in Eskey, Co. Sligo, in about 1823 and who served in both the 83rd Foot and the 91st Foot before being discharged aged 20 in 1843.

The Chelsea and Royal Kilmainham records state that he became a Chelsea Pensioner that same years so he must have been injured to let him go that young.[viii]

The 91st Foot seem to have been based in South Africa at this time: "In 1842 detachments of the 91st, 27th and Cape Mounted Rifles Regiments, together some artillery, were posted to Colesberg under the command of Colonel Hare. All but two companies under the command of Captain Campbell and a troop of Cape Mounted Riflemen were later withdrawn. In April 1845 this force, reinforced by the 7th Dragoon Guards and another detachment of Cape Riflemen, moved temporarily to Philippolis in the Orange Free State to intervene between belligerents." It is possible this was the same man.


James Musgrave (c. 1850-1931) succeeded to the farm at Dereenasoo. In about 1877, he married Kate (Catherine) who was about the same age as him. (There is a rumour that she was born in 1891 and thus 40 years younger than him, but the census refutes this). The marriage perhaps took place in the church at Toomna which has now sadly fallen into disuse as the roof has been removed; its once glorious East window has been moved to Riverstown church Co Sligo.

I recieved an email in October 2017 from Stephen Musgrave, the last descendant from House No 7 in Derranasoo with the Musgrave name in Ireland, and a great-grandson of James and Kate, who believes James's father was also James [as opposed to William, above], married to Elizabeth, headstone in St John's Drumshambo, so something is awry here!].

1901 Census

Residents of No. 7 Derreenasoo (Tumna North, Roscommon)

James Musgrove - 49 years old - Head of Family - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Roscommon - Farmer.

Kate Musgrove - 47 years old - Wife - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Sligo.

Eliza Anne Musgrove - 16 years old - Daughter - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Sligo - Scholar.

Susan A Musgrove - 13 years old - Daughter - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Sligo - Scholar.

James Musgrove - 11 years old - Son - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Sligo - Scholar.

John Edwd Musgrove - 9 years old - Son - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Sligo - Scholar.

In 1901, James and Kate (nee Auliffe) lived with four of their seven children – their two teenage daughters Eiza Anne and Susan, and two small sons James and John Edward. Like Kate, all four children were said to have been born in Co. Sligo. Everyone could read and write and nobody spoke Irish. There were no specified illnesses. Nor were there any household servants.

1911 Census

Residents of No. 7 Dereenasoo (Tumna North, Roscommon)

James Musgrove - Aged 60 - Head of Family - Church of Ireland - born in Co Roscommon - Farmer.

Kate Musgrove - Aged 60 - Wife - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Sligo.

James Musgrove - Aged 23 - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Sligo - Farmers Son.

John E Musgrove - Aged 20 - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Roscommon - Farmers

According to the 1911 census, James and Kate had been married for 34 years and had 7 children, all of whom were still alive. At the time of the 1911 census, they were living with two of their sons James and John E Musgrove, who were 23 and 20 years old respectively. (It is notable that James was born in Co. Sligo in 1888 while John was apparently born in Co. Roscommon in 1891).

Several of James and Kate’s children migrated to New York and one family moved to Florida in 1949. Several others immigrated to Ontario and Quebec, Canada and Vermont, US.

Kate may have died in 1916. She and James are buried in front of the church in Tumna. A photo of the now ruined church is at http://vaugh.co.uk/images. The stained glass window is now in Riverstown church in Co. Sligo and the pews are reputedly in the local pub.

As mentioned earlier, Stephen Musgrave informed me in October 2017 that his grandfather (a son of James Musgrave of Derranasoo) wrote a letter to one of his relations from the William Musgrave line, stating that an Andrew Musgrave came to Derranasoo in 1783 (or, as he puts it, 15 years before 1798) from Carrick, Co. Donegal via Fermanagh. He also stated that Andrew married twice, once to a Susan Atkinson from Ballinamallard, Co. Fermanagh and once to a Sligo woman called Logan (no first name known). Stephen's grandfather also stated that he is descended from Susan Atkinson, the James line and that the marriage of Andrew and Logan gave rise to the William line. This has not yet been verified. There is a family of Musgraves in Co. Tyrone just across from Fermanagh with many first names the same as the Musgraves from Derranasoo.


Thomas Musgrave was born in Co. Roscommon circa 1847 (aged 64 in 1911) and later moved via Limerick to Cork, along with his brother Stuart. According to Pederson, he worked as a draper before opening up the Cork grocery of Musgrave Bros. Ltd. on North Main Street in 1876.[ix] Pederson also states that he was 7 years younger than Stuart but other sources suggest he was 7 years older. Family lore holds that he made his way to Cork via both the USA and Limerick City.

In about 1873, he married Sarah Jane Laird who was born in Co. Leitrim and whose family lived near Drumshambo. The first of their nine children was Anna Elizabeth Musgrave, born on 5 Nov 1873, baptized at St Munchins, Limerick City. Their [eldest?] son John Laird Musgrave was born in Limerick on 8 May 1875 and became a director of the company by 1907.

When Thomas came to Cork in about 1875/76 and started the company with his brother Stuart, there are no family records of where he lived save the census address. As well as Stuart, the other board members of Musgraves were P.R. Robinson of Belmont, Palmerston Road, Dublin; and Philip R Toppin of Limerick.[x] The company was based at 84 Grand Parade, Cork. By 1913, Robinson had been replaced by Thomas Earls, Laurel Bank, Montenotie, Cork.

Thomas was also managing director of the Southern Metropole Hotels Company with offices at 12 King Street, Cork. SJ Merrick of Youghal was chairman while the other four board members were Stuart Musgrave; P.R. Robinson of Belmont, Palmerston Road, Dublin; J.J. Stafford of Huncote, Malone Park, Belfast; and R.G. Parkhill of Douglas House, Douglas, Co. Cork.[xi] By 1913, Stafford had gone and the board now included Thomas Earls and W. P. Musgrave (secretary) of Chipleu villas, Blackrock road, Cork.[xii]

In 1891, Guy’s Cork Almanac stated that Thomas was living on Blackrock Road. By the time of the Cork Almanac of 1907, he was at Fernhurst Villas, College Road, Cork.

1901 Census - Residents of No. 185 in Knockrea (Blackrock, Cork)

Thomas Musgrove - aged 54 - Head of Family - Methodist - born in Co Roscommon - Grocer.

Sarah J Musgrove - 52 - Wife - Methodist - Born in Co Leitrim.

John Laird Musgrove - 25 - Son - Methodist - Born in City of Limerick - Grocer.

Sara Louise Musgrove - 21 - Daughter - Methodist - City Cork.

Lelloy Florence Musgrove - 14 - Daughter - Methodist - City of Cork - Scholar.

Arthur S G Musgrove - 10 - Son - Methodist - City of Cork - Scholar.

Maggie Scannell - 21 - Servant - Catholic - City of Cork - Genl Servant Domestic.

They could all read and write, nobody spoke Irish and there were no specified illnesses. Nobody was married apart from Thomas and Sarah Jane.

1911 Census - Residents of No. 18 Gurteenaspig, (Rural) (Bishopstown, Cork)

Thomas Musgrove - aged 64 - Methodist - born in Co Roscommon - Merchant Grocer

Sarah Jane Musgrove - 63 - Methodist - Co Leitrim.

Ernest William Young - 31 - Methodist - Co Sligo - Methodist Minister.

Sara Louise Young - 31 - Methodist - Cork City.

Mary Barry - 34 - Roman Catholic - Co Cork - General Domestic Servant

At the time of the 1911 census, Thomas and Sarah Jane were Methodists celebrating their 38th year of marriage and all nine of their children were still alive. They were living at Gurteensaspig in Bishopstown, Co. Cork, with their daughter Sara Louise and her husband Ernest William Young, a Co. Sligo-born Methodist minister, as well as Mary Barry, a 34-year-old Roman Catholic servant. The Youngs were both 31 and had married the previous year. They had a child but the baby was not listed or named on this form.

Following Thomas Musgrove's death in 1914, it is not yet known where Sarah Jane lived. She may have gone to live with her eldest son John in Hayfield House on Perrott Avenue near the College Road. Thomas Musgrave was born in about 1852 and his son John took over the management of the company in 1904 which suggests he wasn’t a well man. As such, Mary Barry may have been a very important person in that household. In 2020 I was contacted by Mary's great-nephew Barry O’Mahony who found her obituary in the Cork Examiner 17th Nov 1967 which stated that she died "at her residence Knockrea Lodge, Douglas Rd, Cork.'


1901 Census - Residents of No. 5, Derreenasoo (Tumna North, Roscommon)

William Musgrove - aged 47 - Head of Family - Church of Ireland - born in Co Roscommon - Farmer.

Annie E Musgrove - 38 - Wife - Church of Ireland - Co Down.

Victor L Musgrove - 1 - Son - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon.

William Musgrove was born circa 1854 and was a farmer at Derreenasoo. In about 1892, he married Annie Eliza (maiden name unknown but possibly Truesdale or Johnston) from Co. Down. They would have four children together – Florence (b. 1896), Victor Lubin (b. 1901), William Vincent (b. 1902) and Wilfred Clomer (b. 1905).

At the time of the 1901 census, the Musgroves were living with baby Victor. They could both read and write, spoke no Irish and had no specified illness. Their five-year-old Co. Roscommon-born daughter Florence was visiting her grandparents Robert and Mary Truesdale, a farming couple in their early 60s, at near Ballyward, Co. Down. The Truesdales lived with their 24-year-old son William and two daughters, Maggie and Mary, both in their late 20s.

William died in 1905, after thirteen years of marriage, and about the time of the birth of his third son Wilfred. Florence, Victor and William were nine, five and four years old.

At the time of the 1911 census, Florence and Victor were staying with the Johnston family, farmers, in No. 42 Ardbrin (Annaclone), Co. Down. The Johnstons could, of course, be relations on their mother’s side, or only friends.

Meanwhile, the widowed Annie Musgrove was staying in Ballyward with William and Wilfred, as well as two spinsters Margaret Truesdale and Annie Jane Coulter, both dressmakers. Everyone in the house could read and write.

1911 Census - Residents of No. 44 Ballyward (Ballyward, Down)

Annie Eliza Musgrove - 46 - Head of Family - Church of Ireland - Co Down.

William Vincent Musgrove - 9 - Son - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon - Scholar.

Wilfred Clomer Musgrove - 6 - Son - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon - Scholar.

Margaret Truesdale - 41 - Boarder - Church of Ireland - Co Down - Dressmaker.

Annie Jane Coulter - 23 - Boarder - Church of Ireland - Co Fermanagh - Dressmaker.


According to research by Dr. Gordon Goldsborough, Journal Editor & Secretary of the Manitoba Historical Society, Dr. George Musgrave (1855-1934), General merchant, who settled in Canada. Born in Ireland on 19 September 1855, he emigrated to Canada in 1880 and lived for a year in Huron County, Ontario, before moving to Manitoba in 1881 and becoming a clerk in the Winnipeg dry goods store of Robert Garry.

In 1882 he moved to Stonewall, Manitoba, and, the following year, established his own general store. On January 15, 1882, he married Sarah Ann McKee of Huron County, Ontario in 1881. They had four children: William Wesley Lorne Musgrove, Elizabeth Victoria Musgrove (b 1885, wife of H. O. May), Robert George Boyd Musgrove (b 1892), and Josiah Oliver Musgrove (1893-1894). He was a member of the Canadian Order of Forresters.

Dr. Musgrove died at Stonewall, Manitoba, on 29 June 1934.

His eldest son William Wesley Lorne Musgrove (1882-1947), physician, was born at Stonewall, Manitoba on 15 January 1882. He attended Wesley College in Winnipeg where he was a member of the championship Shamrock football team. In 1902, he enrolled in the Manitoba Medical College, graduating with an MD degree in 1906. He served for a year as a house surgeon at the Winnipeg General Hospital then went into general practice. From 1919 to 1940 he lectured in surgery and clinical surgery at the Manitoba Medical College, and served on the medical staff of the Winnipeg General Hospital. On 15 January 1908, he married Mabel Laura Cuthbert at Pilot Mound, Manitoba. They had four sons: George Stuart Musgrove (b 1908), William Roy Musgrove (?-1941), Dr. J. E. Musgrove, and R. J. Musgrove.

During the First World War, he served as a Major with the 4th Canadian Casualty Clearing Station in France. Invalided home in 1918, he continued military service as president of the medical review board of MD 10. He served on the executive of the Manitoba branch of the Canadian Medical Association, and was president of the Winnipeg Medical Association (1934-1935). He was a member of the Kiwanis Club, Niakwa Golf and Country Club, and Young United Church. He died at his Winnipeg home, 147 Brock Street, on 5 January 1947 and was buried in Elmwood Cemetery.

Source : http://www.mhs.mb.ca/docs/people/musgrove_g.shtml


Stuart Musgrave was born in Co. Roscommon circa 1858 and later moved south to Cork, along with his brother Thomas, before opening up the grocery in 1876 when he was 18 years old. According to Pederson, he was 7 years older than Stuart but other sources suggest he was 7 years younger.[xiii] By 1891, he was living at No. 1 Adelaide Villas in Summerhill, Cork, which is where he was still living in 1913.[xiv] By 1907, he was on the board of both Musgrave Bros. and the Southern Metropole Hotels Company, of which Thomas was managing director.[xv]

1901 Census - Residents of No. 1 Adelaide Villas (North East Ward, Cork)

Stuart Musgrove - Aged 43 - Head of Family - Methodist - Born in Co Roscommon - Tea Merchant.

Annie Musgrove - 40 - Wife - Methodist - Born in Co Cork.

Mabel Musgrove - 15 - Daughter - Methodist - Born in City of Cork - Scholar.

Stuart Musgrove - 14 - Son - - Methodist - Born in City of Cork - Scholar.

Nannie Musgrove - 11 - Daughter - Methodist - Born in City of Cork - Scholar. [Was she also known as Ivy?]

Amy Musgrove - 8 - Daughter - - Methodist - Born in City of Cork - Scholar.

James Wamer [sic] - 38 - Boarder - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Cork - Clerk (Grocer). [He was brother-in-law of Stuart Snr].

Kate Collins - 37 - Servant - Roman Catholic - Born in Co Cork - Servant.

Nora Daly - 62 - Visitor - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Cork - Lady.

Annie Musgrove [aka Musgrave] hailed from Skibbereen, Co. Cork, where her father Robert Warner ran a drapery at 10 Bridge Street. The Warners were a well known West Cork family. Before her marriage, Annie worked as a teacher at the Church of Ireland parish school in Abbeystrewry. Her mother Sarah Ann Warner was a daughter of James Sealy Atteridge, a farmer from Ballydehob, Co. Cork, who is said to have picked up a fatal ailment while helping some neighbours circa 1843/4? According to Sarah Ann's obituary in the Skibbereen Eagle (Oct 13 1897), the Atteridges of Hollyhill were one of the most respectable of familes in the Carbaries and held high and honourable social positions in West Cork for many generations. Sarah Ann married Robert Warner at the Creagh Church of Ireland just outside Skibbereen on the 5th January 1858. Robert Warner, who hailed from Reenadisart, near Bantry, died on 31st March 1891 aged 57. His mother is said to have died when he was young while his father, another Robert, was a famer who went to either England or the U.S, leaving Robert and his siblings witht an Aunt. Sarah Ann died on 13th October 1897 aged 60.

Family lore holds that Stuart Musgrave snr spotted her while he was on business in Skibbereen but was too shy to ask if he could visit her. Instead, he sent her a note with a white ivy leaf in it. If she kept it, then it would be fine for him to call. Stuart and Annie were married by special licence at her father's drapery on Bridge Street, Skibbereen, on 15th April 1884. Annie died at home in Baltimore on the 31st July 1932. She was laid to rest in the Warner-Atteridge grave at the old graveyard at Kilcoe, near Ballydehob. Stuart placed his courtship note and the white ivy leaf in her coffin. Stuart died on 9th November 1934 and was buried alongside Annie in Kilcoe.

At the time of the 1901 Census, nobody in the house was married apart from Stuart and Annie. Kate Collins and Nora Daly could speak both English and Irish. There were no specified illnesses. The family were described as Methodist at this time but 10 years later, they would be ‘Irish Church’. Their daughters are named as Nannie, Amy and Mabel – and yet in the 1911 census, (below) the two girls named appear to be named as Annie and Ivy.

Mabel later married Fred Woodhouse and moved to New Zealand.

Ivy married Jack Wood and had one son Lieut-Commander Stuart Wood who was raised in Skibbereeen. Stuart was killed in January 1952 when a jet plane he was testing crashed into the sea off the coast of Malta. At the time, he was serving as a surgeon with the RAF in Malta.

Amy married Jim Robinson who was a commercial traveller for Musgrave's. They had four daughters - Annie-Mae (Nancy Evans), Doreen Bogan, Ivy Hare and Margaret (Teddy) Rennison.

1911 Census - Residents of No. 1 Adelaide Villas (Cork No. 3 Urban, Cork)

Stuart Musgrave - 53 - Head of Family - Irish Church - Born in Co Roscommon - Grocer.

Annie Musgrave - 50 - Wife - Irish Church - Co Cork.

Mabel Musgrave - 25 - Daughter - Irish Church - Cork City.

Stuart Musgrave - 24 - Son - Irish Church - Cork City - Commercial Traveler (General).

Ivy Musgrave - 21 - Daughter - Irish Church - Cork City. [It looks like 'Joy' on the census but her name was Ivy].

Kate Collins - 46 - Servant - Roman Catholic - Co Cork - Domestic Servant.

There is no mention of the family in the 1901 census which is odd but perhaps they were all overseas. At the time of the 1911 census, Stuart and Annie had been married for 26 years and had four children, all still living and in their 20s. Their unmarried daughters Mabel and Joy were still living with them, as was their bachelor son Stuart. (Who was the fourth child?) Everyone in the house could read and write except Kate Collins, the servant, who could read but not write. Kate was also the only one in the house who spoke Irish. There were no specified illnesses.

When writing of the Irish War of Independence, Pederson maintains that ‘John L. Musgrave and his cousin Stuart Musgrave, Jr., also a director, were ready to flee Cork at any moment if they were endangered.’ (p. 255)


In 1901, Eliza Musgrove, a widow, was living with her unmarried son George and teenage daughter Eliza Anne. All three could read and write, but they were not versed in Irish. There were no specified illnesses. The implication is that Eliza was the widow of either Richard or Edward.

1901 Census - Residents of No. 6 Derreenasoo (Tumna North, Roscommon)

Eliza Musgrove - Aged 50 - Head of Family - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon - Farmer.

George Musgrove - 25 - Son - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon - Farmers Son.

Eliza Anne Musgrove - 15 - Daughter - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon - Scholar.

In 1905, 20-year-old Eliza Anne was married to (her cousin?) William Joseph Musgrave, or Musgrove, who was fourteen years her senior. He farmed at Scor More (Kilmacumsey), Co. Roscommon, where he had been recorded as a resident during the 1901 census alongside his aged father, Andrew Mosgrove, mother Isabella and a nephew called John Powell. They could all read and write and there were no specified illnesses.

1901 Census - Residents of No. 2 Scor More (Kilmacumsy, Roscommon)

Andrew Mosgrove - 82 - Head of Family - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Roscommon - Farmer.

Isabella Mosgrove - 62 - Wife - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Leitrim.

William Mosgrove - 28 - Son - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Roscommon - Farmer's Son.

John Powell - 16 - Grand Son - Church of Ireland - Born in Co Roscommon - Scholar.

By the time of the 1911 census, William and Eliza were living with their two small children, Isabella and Olive, and William’s 75-year-old widowed mother, Isabella. There we no specified illnesses.

1911 Census - Residents of No. 6 in Scor More (Kilmacumsey, Roscommon)

William Joseph Musgrave - Aged 40 - Head of Family - Church of Ireland - Born in Roscommon - Can read and write - Married.

Eliza Anne Musgrave - Aged 26 - Wife - Church of Ireland - Born in Roscommon - Can read and write - Married.

Isabella Musgrave - 4 - Daughter - Church of Ireland - Born in Roscommon - Cannot read.

Olive Musgrave - 2 - Daughter - Church of Ireland - Born in Roscommon - Cannot read.

Isabella Musgrave - 75 - Mother - Church of Ireland - Born in Leitrim - Read only - Widow.


This branch apparently descends from a William Musgrave who was born in 1725. His son, another William Musgrave (1780-1870) was baptized into the Church of Ireland, lived at Cahirciveen and married Margaret Neill (1790-1870) – they died in Millbrook Cottage, Ballyclough on January 25th and January 27th respectively. They had at least four children, namely:

1. William Musgrave (1817-1881), more of whom below.
2. Henry Musgrave, born in Glin in 1818, baptised a Roman Catholic, married a Julia Ryng from Cork, probably near Kilbolan where William, his brother, had worked as a labourer earlier along with the other brother, George. Henry and Julia emigrated to QLD where he died in Brisbane in 1870. They had 13 children. He appears to have been illiterate. One of his descendants achieved some fame on Australian Televeision before she died tragically.
3. Mary Musgrave, b.1823 d. 1 Dec 1905, m. Thomas Cliffe (1811-13 May 1897) in 1857. Significantly, it is this family which erected a memorial to William jnr when he died in Glenstal in 1881 – the headstone is in Adare cemetery.
4. George Thomas Musgrave (1824-1901) m. Sarah Anne Fitzgerald (d.1904) on 7th Febuary 1855 at the Church of Ireland, Roches St, Cahernarry, Co. Limerick. Sarah's father was John Fitzgerald of the parish of St Michaels, Co. Limerick. They emigrated to NZ in 1899 when George was 75 with 11 of their 13 children. Like William, he started off as a farmer and ended up as a Land Steward. George also owned a bus company in and around Auckland and Rotorua. George and Sarah were parents of a boy called Musgrave who was born at Annacotty, Co. Limerick, on 18 Mar 1867. Another son George Gordon was born in 1884 and settled in Sydney in his 20s where he died in 1947.

The aforementioned William Musgrave, born 1817, was steward to the Oak Park estate outside Tarbert, County Kerry, for Maurice Sandes, Registrar General of Bengal and a prosperous tea and indigo merchant. Mr Sandes, the sixth son of T. W. Sandes of Sallow Glen, near Tarbert, purchased Oak Park from the bankrupt Bateman family in 1852. Maurice subsequently built a new Victorian Gothic mansion at Oak Park. On the death of Maurice Sandes of Oak Park in 1879, William Snr. took his family to live at Cahirnarry, near Limerick, where he had a farm and resided until he secured a position as Land Steward for Sir Croker Barrington at Glenstal Castle. [At the time of Griffith’s Valuation, William Musgrave was renting land from Henry Watson, of Cahernarry (Carn-Feradhaigh or Carnary), Co. Limerick. The house was formerly part of the Cripps estate.] However, after just a few year's residence there, his son Standish reported 'the first great calamity of my life happened... my father's death at age 63.' His death at Glenstal was reported in the Limerick Chronicle on 9th July 1881 and he was buried as a Protestant. [xvi])

William Musgrave was married twice. By his first wife, Mary Ann Goggin he had:

1. William Musgrave, b. 1842 died young
2. (George) Robert Musgrave, b. aft 5 Jul 1843, d. aft 1888, who resided in America, but returned to Ireland and engaged in farming pursuits near Glin, Co Kerry.
3. Henry Edward Musgrave, b 1 Aug 1845, baptized on 6 Sept 1845 in Rathkeale, Limerick. He farmed on the banks of the River Shannon, near Tarbert.
4. Margaret Musgrave, b 3 Jul 1848, who never married, but who went to live with her brother Willie when he returned from America.
5. William Richard (known as Willie Musgrave) b bef. Aug 1850, d. aft 1901

His three sons were named on a document of 1877 as George Robert Musgrave (aged 12), Henry Edward Musgrave (aged 10) and William Richard Musgrave (aged 3). [Estate Maps of County Limerick, Brian Hodkinson, 13th May 2011].

William Musgrave's second wife Jane Alice Harris was born at Elton, Co. Limerick; her father was an architect and farmer. On her mother's side she was related to the Ffrench's, who were kinsmen of Lord Inchquin. She and William had at least three children:

1. Arthur Richard Musgrave, b abt. 1860, emigrated to Australia where he became a police officer, married Bridget Arber in 1882, had a daughter and died on 16 Mar 1940 in Katoomba NSW.
2. Standish Richard Musgrave was born in Sallow Glen, near Tarbert, Co. Kerry, on 28th July 1870 and became a newspaper proprietor, in Austalia, where he was editor of the Illawarra Mercury . He died on 2 Nov 1943 in Wollongong NSW.
3. Mary Jane Musgrave was born on 17 March 1865 at Moroe, or Murroe, Co. Limerick. Murroe is located by Glenstal Abbey in the north-eastern part of County Limerick, approximately 15 km from Limerick City, and close to the Tipperary border. In 1887, shortly after the family reached Australia, she married Henry Young Smith of Ennis, Co Clare, with whom she had three children. Henry was a son of David Smith, a Grocer & Spirit Dealer of Church Street, Ennis, who died in 1878, after which David's widow Alicia Smith and children Henry, Jane, Alice, George and Hutchinson emigrated to Australia. Mary Jane died on 11 July 1944 at Northwood NSW.
4. Frances Elizabeth b abt 1872 d 1933 unmarried no children

After William's death, Jane returned to Cahrinarry along with her step-daughter Margaret. In 1885, after trying to eke out an existence, she decided to sell the farm and seek out her eldest son Arthur in Australia. There were some legal problems with regard to the sale of the farm; Jane had to pay her stepson Robert Musgrave £100 for his sanction because WIlliam had died intestate. They sold the farm for £300 and Jane emigrated to Australia with Standish and her two daughters in 1885. Jane died in 1915.

Much of the above information came to me courtesy of Standish Richard Musgrave's great-grandson, David Musgrave. David also observes a Mary Musgrave who was baptised in the parish of Fedamore on April 12 1857, with her father given as William Musgriff and Ellena Toole. "Given the range of probably relatedness according to the DNA, William could be the grandson of William b 1780 or the grandson of a sibling of William."

See MOSGROVE (MUSGRAVE) ROBERT Refer to P3 a history of the Musgrave family of Counties Roscommon & Cork File 1096 via Leitrim Library.


We remain unsure of the connection to Limerick but, aside from an absence of any Richards, the first names and dates between the Roscommon and Limerick Mosgrove / Musgrave families are enticingly similar. Here is a list of some of these:

William Musgrave, son of Edward and Mary Musgrave, baptized 8 Jul 1806 at St Mary’s Cathedral, Limerick.

Edward Musgrave, possibly a brother of the above and certainly a son of Edward, baptized 28 Sep 1810 at St Mary’s Cathedral, Limerick.

As the eldest son of William and Anne was called Edward, we must consider the naming pattern, eldest after paternal grandfather. So we have William, Edward and Thomas – all common names to the family.

Edward Musgrave, son of Thomas and Mary Musgrave, was baptized on 8 Oct 1819 at St Mary’s Cathedral, Limerick.

Margaret Musgrave, daughter of Edward and Margaret Musgrave, was baptized on 5 Aug 1808 at St Mary Cathedral, Limerick.

John Musgrave and Catharine Slattery were parents of Margaret Anne Musgrave who was born in Limerick on 27 Nov 1865.

Henry Musgrave and Helena Malone were parents of Mary Ellen Musgrave who was born on 5 Apr 1867 and baptized at St. Michael’s, Limerick.

George Musgrave and Mary Hewson were parents of Richard Musgrave born in Limerick on 18 Sep 1867.

1885 Register of Electors - Limerick City and environs

· George Musgrave, Cahernarry Cripps, Rated occupier (house, offices and land) Glentworth Ward Rural.

· William Musgrave, Henry Street, Rated occupier (house and yard), Dock Ward.

· William Musgrave, St. Mary's Place, Inhabitant Householder (house and yard), Abbey Ward



An exploration of the Wortley Musgraves all the way from Joseph Musgrave to his descendants in 1959 Australia amounted to no useful connections.



There appears to me to be an extraordinary similarity between Sir Anthony Musgrave, Governor of Queensland, and Stuart Musgrave jun. of the early 21st century family. However, there appears to be no link between the two. Sir Anthony, the third of 11 children of Anthony Musgrave and Mary Harris Sheriff, was a descendant of Somerset-born William Musgrave (1720-1782) by his marriage to Sarah Lynch FitzNicholas. Click here for William’s tree.


There is said to have been a Musgrave migration from Antrim to Sligo, which may be worth exploring. In ‘Occasions of Faith: An Anthropology of Irish Catholics’, the author Lawrence J. Taylor refers to the industrialist and philanthropist, James Musgrave JP DL (1823-1904) and his brother John Musgrave (1817-1895) of the Belfast merchant clan who purchased large tracts of the Conolly and Mount Stewart estates in SW Donegal, amounting to 52,000 acres, in the 1870s. His book also has images of James Musgrave’s house at Carrick lodge near Killybegs in Co. Donegal.[xvii]

They were the sons of Dr. Samuel and Mary Musgrave who had 12 children - 9 sons and 3 daughters - between 1804 and 1829, of whom only one died in infancy. Remarkably none of their 11 surviving children married so the family line died out when their last child Henry Musgrave who lived until 1922 died at the grand old age of 95.

The Musgrave Baronetcy, of Drumglass in the County of Antrim, was created in 1897 for James but became extinct on his death in 1904.


1. HENRY MUSGRAVE DL. 1827 - 1922

Henry Musgrave, brother of Baron Musgrave of Drumglass, died at the age of 95 in 1922. He was the last of the 12 children of Samuel and Mary Musgrave. He was also the last surviving member of the band of Brothers. He was born in 1826 in Lisburn and with his younger brother was brought to Belfast by his Mother, elder members of the family having resided earlier in the city. His early education was at Dr Blains School. On the occasion when he received the presentation of the freedom of the city in the City Hall in July 1917 he told the interested gathering of the excellent way in which his old school master opened the school by reading to all the assembled scholars favourite selections from well known authors. His schooldays over he had an unusual preliminary to entering upon a business career. His parents sent him and one of his brothers on a two months walking tour through Donegal, in which county the family had considerable property. This instilled in him a deep love of travel as he travelled later through America, Canada, Egypt and other countries.
He served his apprenticeship with Mr William Finlay in the tea and wine business and had a long and successful business career in Belfast. About 1850 in partnership with his brother Edgar he established the business of H & E Musgrave, Ann Street. His public spirit was such that he did not neglect a fair share of public affairs. He had many business qualities and was the chairman of Messrs H & E Musgrave Ltd, Messrs Musgrave & Co Ltd, Messrs Riddels Ltd, Messrs John Riddel & Son Ltd and Messrs Murray Sons & Co Ltd. He was an active member of the Royal Ulster Agricultural Society and of the Belfast Chamber of Commerce, life governor and member of the board of management of the Royal Victoria Hospital, Governor of the Belfast Royal Academic Institution and one of the trustees of the fund for the better equipment of Queens College. His portrait hangs in the Examination Hall at Queens University.
He was a grand juror and Deputy Lieutenant of County Donegal and made High Sheriff in 1909 – 10. He had also been made a Deputy Lieutenant of the City of Belfast. He was lavish in his liberality. Many charities in the city benefited by his donations, which were as widespread as they were generous. In recognition of his services to the city on the 1st March 1917 he was made an honorary burgess of the City of Belfast. The casket containing the certificate of presentation bears the arms and motto of the family, with panels at the sides containing beautiful enamelled painted views, of Queens University, Medical Ward of the Royal Victoria Hospital, the City Hall and Drumglass House. He was the donor of the Statue of Brigadier-General John Nicholson to his native town Lisburn which stands in the Market Square. In connection with Queens University he presented to their Library a collection of 98 volumes of Irish Statutes extending from 1310 to 1831.



Battlebridge, where the Musgraves farmed, is located on the banks of the River Shannon, near Leitrim Village and Carrick-on-Shannon. Tumna, co Roscommon, is only 11km away. Isaac Weld’s ‘Statistical Survey of the county of Roscommon’ (Royal Dublin Society, 1832) has excellent detail about local area from a farming perspective (Search for Battle Bridge + Leitrim on Google Books).
In 1798 the French and Irish crossed the Shannon and halted on top of Moneynure hill at Drumshanbo. [‘A flame now quenched: rebels and Frenchmen in Leitrim, 1793-1798, Liam Kelly, Lilliput Press, 1998].
Colonel Crawford’s cavalry saw action at Drumshambo so was he connected?
It used to be a landscape of dense forest. In his survey of Leitrim [what year], Dr. McParlan said “a hundred years ago, almost the whole country was one continued, undivided forest so that from Drumshanbo to Drumkeeran, a distance of 9 or 10 miles, one could travel the whole way from tree to tree by branches”. [Royal Society for the Encouragement of Arts, Manufactures and Commerce journal, , Volume 30, p. 187]


3. ANDREW MUSGRAVE (1919-1995)

Son of George Musgrave and Anna Marie Arzberger, Husband of Lesley Brand, Father of 4 descendants Musgrave, Brother of George Musgrave and Robert Musgrave – ask Anne Marie for more as she posted this on Geni. George was in the NYPD, as was his brother Edward. George is thought to have married twice.


John Musgrave, a Quaker, was born in 1669, son of Oswin Musgrave and Elizabeth Musgrave of Belleniskfrannel, Segoe Parish, Armagh, Ireland. His brothers held the distinctly biblical names of Moses Musgrave the Elder, Abraham, Thomas and Aaron. By his marriage to Mary Hastings, John was father to at least four sons (Thomas, John, James, Abraham) and six daughters (Martha, Mary, Elizabeth, Esther, another Martha and Sarah). He emigrated to Pennsylvania in 1682 as an indentured servant of Valentine Hollingsworth of Ballenisckcrannel along with Hollingsworth’s wife Ann, sons Thomas and Samuel, and daughters Catherine and Mary (and Mary’s husband, Thomas Conway of Lisburn). John died aged 77 in March 1746 at Sadbury, Lancaster, Pennsylvania, United States.[xviii]

The Quaker Library in Dublin holds a letter dated 1917 from Elizabeth B. Satterthwaite regarding John Musgrave and Valentine Hollingsworth. (MM II E6 – 35). Elizabeth, the daughter of Mr. Satterthwaite and Miss. Fletcher, was born on 9 Jan 1847 in Falls, Bucks County, Pa., and died in Bucks on 6 July 1929. She was married to John C Haines in Penn. Given the Pennsylvania connection, it is assumed the letter refers to John Musgrave of Sadbury, above.

The Quaker Library also notes the existence of Musgrave Beeby who was disowned for being ‘Married by a priest, to a fellow servant’. 'Goodness – the depravity of it all', as one wise Quaker colleague remarked.


"This distinguished surname is of Anglo-Saxon origin, and a locational name deriving from a pair of villages near Kirkby Stephen in Westmorland, called Great and Little Musgrave. The early settlement is recorded as "Musegrave" in circa 1215, and as "Magna" and "Parva Musegrave" (Great and Little) in the "Records of Pleas" of 1292. The place-name is derived from the Olde English pre 7th Century elements "mus", mouse, or the Old Norse byname "Musi", with "graf", grove, thus "grove frequented by mice", or "Musi's grove". A number of English placenames contain "mus" as a first element, including Musbury (Lancashire), "mouse-burrow", and Muscoates (Yorkshire), "mouse-infested huts". Early examples of the surname include Roger de Mussegrave (1277, London); Thomas de Musgraue (1362, Yorkshire), and John Mosgrove, listed in the University of Oxford's Register for 1581. Recordings of the name from Church Registers include the marriages of Edward Musgrove and Margerie Dickenson at Aston Juxta Birmingham, on October 20th 1591, and of Dannell Musgrove and Jonne Griffin at St. Katherine by the Tower, London, on October 24th 1613. A Coat of Arms granted to a Musgrove family of Kent depicts on a white shield, two bendlets engrailed azure between three lozenges, one and two, of the last, each charged with a gold fleur-de-lis; the Crest is a demi lion proper gorged with a double collar gemelle sable and holding between the paws a lozenge azure charged with a gold cross crosslet. The Motto "Nil Desperandum", translates as "Never despair". The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Alan de Musegrave, which was dated 1228, in the "Curia Rolls of Northumberland", during the reign of King Henry 111, known as "The Frenchman", 1216 - 1272. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling."
© Copyright: Name Origin Research www.surnamedb.com 1980 – 2010

Andrew Mosgrove was living in London in 1765. By his wife Elizabeth, he had a son Robert Henry Mosgrove (or Musgrave?) who was baptized at St. Paul's (Actor’s Church), Covent Gardens, London, on March 24th 1765. Andrew and Elizabeth Mosgrove had another son Henry baptized in 1767. There appears to have been another child who died from measles and was buried on 30 January 1771 at St Lukes, Finsbury.

Robert Henry Musgrave was born and baptized on 1st March 1769 in St Giles, Cripplegate, in the City of London (now part of the Barbican Complex). His parents were John Musgrave, a dyer, and his wife, Elizabeth. One wonders was he the Robert H Musgrave, Surrey, who died in Croydon in 1845.

He may also have been a relative of Sir John Musgrove (1793-1881), businessman and Lord Mayor, who was born 21 January 1793, the only son of John Musgrove a London merchant of Austin Friars, but residing at Hackney. As an auctioneer and house agent, Sir John had made his fortune from the property market by 1824. In the City he was Alderman in the ward of Broad Street from 1842 to his resignation in 1872, as well as Sheriff of London and Middlesex in 1843-44 and Lord Mayor in 1850-51, the year of the Great Exhibition. He was knighted when Queen Victoria opened the Royal Exchange in 1844 and granted a Baronet when she came to the City in 1851. Sir John Whittaker Ellis (1829-1912), who succeeded him in his Aldermanry, became his partner. He died at Rusthall House, Speldhurst, Kent on 5 October 1881. [See London City History and also ‘The aldermen of Cripplegate Ward from A.D. 1276 to A.D. 1900, together with some account of the office of Alderman, Alderman's Deputy, and Common Councilman of the City of London’ which again refers to Sir John as an Alderman of Broad Street.


We followed the lead of a Robert Musgrove who was born in Cripplegate, London, on 16th July 1802. His parents were given as the Rev. John and Sidonia Barton. What is odd is that a second birth certificate states that he was born at Great Yarmouth on the same day and names him as ‘Robert Musgrave Riggs Barton’. The Barton name caught the eye as the Musgraves of Leitrim rented their land from the Barton family.

There is a suggestion that the Rev. Barton fiddled a bit with the birth and baptism records for his children, creating a certain amount of genealogical chaos. Indeed, Robert’s Cripplegate birth cert is the only in which his father is stated as a Rev. On the certificates of his other seven children, he is either John or Jonathon, with Sidonia named as the mother in each instance.

Full details are here at but these other seven children were:

1) Elizabeth Musgrove Riggs Barton, born 18 Aug 1797 in New Market, St Marys Newmarket, Suffolk.

2) Henry Musgrave Riggs Barton, born 17 Mar 1799, Dr. Williams Library, London. He married Julia Sadler, and their son was born in Donnybrook, Dublin, in 1866. They later had two more children born in London circa 1877-1879, by which time Henry would have been in his 80s so it could be that there were two HMRBs.

3) John Musgrove Rigg Barton, born 15 Nov 1800 in Great Yarmouth, St Nicholas Gt Yarmouth, Norfolk.

4) William Musgrave Riggs Barton, born 20 Sept 1804, baptised 14th October 1804 in Hale Ley’s Independent, Aylesbury, Buckingham. On 21 August 1831, he was married Jane Williams Kay at Christ Church Greyfriars Newgate, London (or St Leonard Foster Lane). Their son Robert Musgrave Riggs Barton was born on 8 Jan 1836 and baptised on 1 June 1838 at Christ Church, Southwak, Londonn (or Walworth St John The Evangelist). Another son Henry Musgrave R Barton was born about 1840 and died in Portsmouth in Jan 1903.

5) Mary Musgrove Riggs Barton, born 20 Jan 1808 in Sheffield, Yorkshire, baptized 20 March 1808, Dr Williams Library, London.

6) Sindonia Musgrove Riggs Barton, born 30 Mar 1809 in Sheffield, Yorkshire.

7) Thomas Musgrove Rigg Barton, born 19 Mar 1810 in Bethnal Green, Middlesex.

However, I could find no further records of the Rev. John or Sidonia Barton, or Rigg Barton or Musgrove Barton. Indeed, I could find no record of Sidonia anywhere. My conclusion is that this was a shaggy goose trail and that the Musgrove Barton family of Cripplegate are not connected to the Roscommon/Leitrim clan, even if the latter rented their property from a family called Barton.


Stuart says his grandfather Musgrave always claimed he was born Church of Ireland but was obliged to become a Methodist when he married. However, there seems to have been a major streak of Methodism in the family. There is also a Catholic family called Musgrave in Glin, Co. Limerick, who do not believe they are related. The Musgraves of Waterford (from whom Donal Musgrave of the Cork Examiner) also apparently do not claim kinship.

As well as religious identity complications, there are also many variations of the family name.

There is a family of Musgraves in Ulster who were Wesleyan Methodists and who bizarrely use exactly the same first names as the Derrinasoo branch do for their sons who would only have been about 10 years older than their own ... coincidence or wha'?

See also International directory of company histories, Volume 57 (St. James Press, 21 Nov 2003), p. 254-258.


James Musgrave is mentioned at being at a meeting of the Carrick No.2 Rural District Council re; road works adjacent to his house. (Leitrim Observer, 22 July 1905)

W. Musgrave was present on Toomna Sunday School Excursion to Lough Rynn (Leitrim Advertiser, 22 July 1897)

Mr William Musgrave took part at concert in aid of Parochial Sustenation Fund in Ballianmore.( Leitrim Advertiser, 13 February 1896)

Mr William Musgrave took part in Entertainment night at Drumreilly. (Leitrim Advertiser, 24 December 1896)


Anne-Marie Healy-Kalishoek, Stephen Musgrave, Christopher Moriarty, Charles Grant (administrator, St. Paul’s, Covent Garden), Sharon Dixon, D.R.H., Marie Sixsmith, Keith Musgrave, David Musgrave, Liam Lowe, Stuart Musgrave and Stuart Musgrave jun.


[i] The St. Paul’s Registers are on-line here.

[v] Click here for Robert Mosgrove’s obituary of 1933.

[vi] Click here for the St. Paul’s Registers on-line.

[vii] Residents of a house 2 in Derreenasoo (Tumna North, Roscommon)
Mary Anne Crawford - Age 64 - Head of Family - Born in Co Roscommon - Farmer - Widow.
John Crawford - 34 - Son - Co Roscommon - Farmers Son - Not Married.
Joshua Crawford - 29 - Son - Co Roscommon - Farmers Son - Not Married.
Kate Crawford - 28 - Daughter - Co Roscommon - Farmers Daughter - Not Married.

They were all Church of Ireland. Maty Anne could only read but the other three could read and write. They spoke no Irish. There were no specified illnesses.

Residents of house 3 in Derreenasoo (Tumna North, Roscommon)

Joshua Crawford - 65 - Head of Family - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon - Farmer - Married.

Kate Crawford - 55 - Wife - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon - Married.

Edward Crawford - 17 - Son - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon - Farmer's Son - Not Married.

Thomas Crawford - 14 - Son - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon - Scholar - Not Married.

Catherine Crawford - 88 - Aunt - Church of Ireland - Co Roscommon - Living With Family - Not Married.

They were all Church of Ireland and all could read and write but spoke no Irish. There were no specified illnesses.

[viii] Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records 1760-1913. The records also refer to a William Mosgrove, born in 1839, from Shonreigh, Co. Tyrone. Lots of Mosgroves in Co. Tyrone by 1901- - but I suspect this is an unnecessary detour!

[ix] ‘In 1876 the brothers Stuart and Thomas Musgrave opened a grocery. They were aged 25 and 18, and had moved to Cork from County Leitrim. Their father was a farmer near Drumshanbo, and before opening the store Thomas had been a draper.’ [International directory of company histories: Volume 57, Jay. P. Pederson, St. James Press 2003)

[x] Guy’s Cork Almanac of 1907, p. 96-103.

[xi] Guy’s Cork Almanac of 1907, p. 96-103.

[xii] Guy’s Cork Almanac, 1913, p. 126.

[xiii] International directory of company histories: Volume 57, Jay. P. Pederson, St. James Press 2003)

[xiv] Guy’s Cork Almanac 1891, p. 291.

[xv] Guy’s Cork Almanac of 1907, p. 96-103.

[xvi] See Limerick Chronicle 1881.

[xvii] See here for more. 'Sir James MUSGRAVE, first baronet of Drumglass, died last night from heart failure. Sir James had been chairman of the Belfast Harbour Commissioners since 1887, and was a prominent figure in the public life of Belfast and Ulster. He had large estates in Donegal, was chairman of the Donegal Railway Company, and took a great personal interest in Mr. Balfour's light railways scheme, in connection with which he gave valuable assistance in the earlier stages. He was the seventh son of the late Dr. Samuel Musgrave, of Lisburn, Antrim, and was born in 1829. Sir James never married, and the baronetcy, which was conferred upon him in 1897, becomes extinct.' (The Times, February 23, 1904, p. 8).

[xviii] See The Families of Burrell Musgrave (1800 - 1869) & Olive Robinson / Robison / Roberson / Robertson (c.1810 - 1885) by Michael Beall; Cook Myers, L.C. 2, B1, at Quaker Library, Dublin).