Turtle Bunbury

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Ireland (1946-1958) 46 caps (24pts)

Grand Slam: 1948.

Tripe Crown: 1948, 1949.

Five Nations Championship: 1948, 1949, 1951.

British Lions 1950 6 caps (6 pts)


1991: Honorary Doctorate (University of Belfast).

1999: Inducted into the International Rugby Hall of Fame.

2002: Greatest Ever Irish Rugby Player (Irish Rugby Football Union).

2007: Lifetime Achievement Award (Irish Journal of Medical Science
& the Royal Academy of Medicine in Ireland).

200?: Order of the British Empire.

2008: Inducted into the IRB Hall of Fame.

JACK KYLE (1926-2014)
Rugby Out-Half

In 1966, a compact and dark-haired Ulsterman strolled from his hut in the Zambian village of Chingola and mopped his brow. Jackie Kyle, Ireland’s legendary out-half, had just arrived in the village to take up his position as a consultant surgeon with the Anglo-American Corporation. He would remain in Chingola for nearly thirty-five years, during which time the village was transformed into one of Zambia’s biggest cities. Central to the local economy was a vast open cast copper mine, the second biggest in the world, which was opened in 1943 and run by the AAC.

‘There were two hospitals in Chingola when I got there’, recalls Jackie. ‘They were open to everybody, not just the miners and their families, so it was a fairly busy life. But it was very interesting and extremely challenging. There were very few surgeons so we just had to do the best we could.’

Although Zambia was one of the few former British colonies that avoided a coup, the copper industry was rocked by a crash in the global prices in 1973 and the subsequent nationalization of the industry. The AAC became Zambia Consolidated Copper Mines and Jackie had the option to leave.[i] ‘But the job was so exciting that I decided to stay on.’

John Wilson Kyle was born in Belfast in 1926. His father John was the only child of a master baker from near Draperstown, Co. Derry.[ii] Shortly after the First World War, John was employed by the Edinburgh-based North British Rubber Company to oversee their operations in Ireland. The company produced everything from tyres to golf balls to rubber boots. When he called into the Belfast office, he was rather taken by an employee called Elizabeth Warren. The couple married in 1924 and two sons and three daughters followed.[iii]

Rugby was not a part of John Kyle’s life at this stage but his son’s were to change that. Firstly, Jackie’s elder brother Eric got an Irish trial and played for Ulster. Secondly, Jackie made his inter-provincial debut for the Ulster Schools playing full-back against Leinster. By then, Jackie was at the Belfast Royal Academy where he came under the influence of the headmaster, Alec Foster, who captained Ireland and traveled with the Lions to South Africa in 1910.[iv] In 1939, the young teenager went to Ravenhill Stadium to watch his first international when Wales beat Ireland 7-0. ‘I never dreamt that one day I’d be wearing a green jersey’.

In October 1944, he entered Queen's University, Belfast, to read medicine, and began to play rugby for a Junior XV. One day he was seated in chemistry class when he heard that his rival at out-half had just broken his leg. It was a lucky break, if you will, for Jack who secured the coveted position and established himself on the first XV. He remained on the first XV for the rest of his time at Queens.[v]

His international career began one Sunday evening in 1947 when Radio Athlone broadcast the news that he had been invited to play for Ireland in a friendly against a British Army XV. ‘You didn’t get a phone call in those days’, he laughs. He remembers being issued with a green jersey before the match with a stern warning that if it was not returned immediately after the game, he would be charged for it.[vi]

Green was the colour for Irish players, north and south of the border. ‘There was never any religious business about rugby’, he says. ‘That was the wonderful thing about it. When the various unions were splitting up, the Irish Rugby Union said: “we play as one country”. Those of us from Ulster were very fortunate that happened. It was also a much greater honour for us to play for the whole country. I think it says a lot that during all the Troubles, never once did a southern side fail to come north or a northern side fail to go south.’

The green-jerseyed Jackie Kyle quickly became one of the lynchpins of the Irish team. In 1948, he was on the team who won the historic Grand Slam. He was hailed as the presiding genius when Ireland again scooped the Triple Crown the following year. In 1950 he proved one of the shining lights of the British Lions during their tour of New Zealand and Australia, scoring a try against both.[vii] Arguably his most famous try was a solo run against France in 1953 immortalized in a parody of ‘The Scarlet Pimpenell’.

They seek him here, they seek him there,
Those Frenchies seek him everywhere.
That paragon of pace and guile,
That demned elusive Jackie Kyle.

In the mid-1950s, Jackie suffered a double blow with the death of both his parents.[viii] Although he continued to play rugby, he was increasingly focused upon his medical career. At the time that of his last appearance for Ireland in March 1958, his total of 46 caps from 11 seasons, yielding seven tries, was a world record.

From 1962 until 1964 he worked as a surgeon in Indonesia and Sumatra.[ix] That ended when Surharto became president of Indonesia and began to evict certain Europeans. He returned to Ireland for a year while ‘trying to make up my mind’ and then moved to Zambia where he remained until 2003.

‘People tend to forget what it’s like in Africa, but you have to admire the way people manage without any of these benefits we get here.’

He never lost his passion for rugby in Zambia and was frequently to be found beside a wireless listening to match commentaries on BBC World Service. Indeed, he likens the professionalization of rugby to the winds of change that swept through Africa in the 1960s. ‘It was inevitable. It had to happen’.

Naturally, he has some reservations about the way the game has gone.[x] ‘I started my international career in 1947. I thought about that when I met Brian O’Driscoll because, for him, it must have been like if I’d met someone who played in 1884. And I suppose old guys will always thunder on about how things should never have changed.’[xi]

So much has changed. For one thing, players have become public property. In Jackie’s day, nobody on the team was permitted to give interviews, write for a paper or publish a book. ‘We were amateurs’, he says simply. ‘But now the media want stars and they are always making up lists of the best players ever.’ He is in awe of veterans who command big fees for an after-dinner speeches. ‘Imagine paying an Irishman to talk - it should be the opposite!’[xii]

As for the game itself, ‘it’s a lot less open than it was’. ‘Kicking is now such a large part of it. In my day you kicked with the toe, with specially constructed toe caps, and if you got the ball over from the 10 yard line, that was considered a terrific kick. Nowadays they pop them over from the half way line without looking’.[xiii]

Aside from the sheer brutal physicality and speed of the modern game, he is astounded by how much the ball itself has changed. When he played, the leather ball was an ever-changing entity, absorbing the rain and mud so that it might fetch up being a big misshapen sack of wet sludge. ‘The first time I felt the ball the guys play with today, I couldn’t believe it. A wee plastic thing with dimples … it’s so light, and you can see it no matter what the weather is like!’

Today Jackie lives in the Co. Down village of Bryansford, and regularly strolls amid the beautiful 630-acre Tollymore Forest Park, with its sumptuous views from the mountains of Mourne down to the sea. In 2001 he established The Jack Kyle Bursary Fund in support of the Queen's University RFC Rugby Academy. He has a son, a daughter and three grandchildren.[xiv]


[i] ‘Kaunda got into power in 1964’, says Jackie. ‘He was a decent guy. He wasn’t a nutcase or a Mugabe who wrecked Zimbabwe or any of those guys. He was a decent guy. The other thing that helped Zambia a lot was that there were various ex-pats there who backed Zambian independence against the greater majority of whites.’ Amongst these was the Rev. Dr. Colin Morris, a friend of Kaunda, who became one of Northern Ireland’s Methodist leaders, as well as Director General of BBC Northern Ireland. Also Sir Stewart Gore-Brown, the extraordinary London-born pioneer who built his Shiwa Ngandu castle in the middle of the jungle. People like that made Kaunda ‘kindly disposed’ to the whites, believes Jackie, while Ian Smith thought quarter a million Rhodesian whites should still rule over millions of blacks. Smith simply wasn’t visionary enough to see McMillan’s wind of change sweeping through Africa, like it or not.

[ii] During his childhood, Jackie recalls how his father’s parents came to live with them in [where]. Joseph Kyle his grandfather, a master baker from Co. Derry, was born in 1850 and died aged 86 in 1936. Elizabeth Wilson was also from Co. Derry and died in 1934, two years before him, aged 84. ‘That’s where I get the Wilson in my name’, he explains. They were both in their mid-80s when they died. ‘It’s amazing to think that I knew a man who was born in 1850’, Jackie marvels.

[iii] Jackie’s older brother Eric (christened Alexander) born in December 1924 and died aged 66. His three sisters, all still alive in March 2010, were born in 1928, 1934 and 1941.

[iv] Jackie has an acute awareness of the genealogies of Irish intellectual and political dynasties such as the Fosters who taught him and were linked with the Lynds and the Cruise O’Brien’s. ‘Alec Foster told me he shared a cabin with a man called Billy Tyrrell who later became President of the Irish Rugby Football Union and ended up an Air Vice Marshal. We thought we were bad when we went to New Zealand in 1950 and it took a month, but he said their ship took six weeks.’ Alec’s wife Annie was a sister of Robert Lynd, a very famous Irish essayist who nobody has heard of nowadays. Robert wrote for The New Statesmen and he spoke at James Connlly’s funeral in 1916. The Fosters had one very bright daughter Christine who married the late Conor Cruise O’Brien and was the mother of his three children. Conor later married the Irish language scholar Máire Mhac an tSaoi, a daughter of Sean MacEntee.

[v] The broken leg belonged to Derek Montieth who later captained Ireland. When Montieth’s leg healed, the whole team was juggled to make sure both men had a place. There are many if’s and but’s in sport. It is arguable that Jackie Kyle would never have become a rugby sensation if another player called David Monteith had not broken his leg.

[vi] To play international rugby, you needed money. ‘If it hadn’t been for our fathers behind us, a lot us would never have played’. As well as boots and socks, the team were expected to provide their own towel and soap.

[vii] The Lions players got paid 7 shillings a day, perhaps £50 in modern money [check]. They were also considerably lighter. ‘Our heaviest guy was 15 stone 4 and most of us were well under that. Us three-quarters were maybe 12 stone or something. But now they’re 18 and 19 stone and there’s a big difference tackling someone of that weight. There are a lot of injuries today.’

[viii] His father died aged 70 in 1954 and his mother died aged just 50 in 1955.

[ix] He was married before he went to Indonesia to ShirleyAnderson from near Lurgan who had been at the Friends School in Lisburn. They had a son and a daughter but the marriage did not work out and Shirley passed away in 2009.

[x] He was particularly exercised by the London Harlequins’ fake blood incident of 2009. ‘Why did they not consider the consequences? It’s like playing golf from the rough and not telling the truth. In our day we were taught okay, you want to win, but not by any foul means. You win fair and square and if you lose, you do your best to congratulate your opponents and accept your defeat graciously.’

[xi] ‘The time is coming that you’re not allowed to have a go at the posts unless you’re a certain distance. Otherwise you will have to either run the ball or put it into touch. As Ernie Crawford used to say, the ‘All I could Do’ and say ‘oh these young lads don’t play the way did’ and there is a danger that when you get to my age, we get cranky and the young guys will say we have no idea what the game has evolved to.’

[xii] ‘But where is Dickie Lloyd and Harry Reid and my old headmaster Alec Foster on these lists … nobody considers them for the great sides of all time!’

‘Sponsorship was also inevitable. Maybe they should have left all club rugby as amateur. Because club rugby has been hammered. Some clubs are wealthy so they can get the players, pay their university fees and give them a car. ‘

[xiii] Players are also so much fitter that he’s not sure he’d have been able to make a breakthrough, even at his peak. ‘You might beat one man but then the next one is on you’. Defense is one thing but he also can’t believe how forwards keep appearing in the back line. ‘We’d have asked what they were doing there?’

He also has an interesting point about the evolution of penalties. ‘Let’s say each penalty takes 90 seconds. If you have 15 of them in a game, that’s 20 minutes of watching people prepare for kicks.’

[xiv] His son lives in Celbridge, works for the Bank of Ireland in Dublin and has two boys and a girl. His daughter is married and lives in Lusk.

With thanks to Derry Whyte.


Click here to see a full list of persons interviewed for the Vanishing Ireland project.